But if I recall correctly, based on some reading I did years ago in some forums (not this one), Dragon Ball GT was conceived as a sequel of DBZ (although Toriyama didn't write the story and didn't have much participation on it), and then some years ago (I can't remember well, was it in 2008? And if it is, why did they changed the fact to convert it to non-canon? New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast, A subreddit for all things Dragon Ball! It was canon as far as the anime goes. Dragon Ball GT was a short-lived Dragon Ball Z sequel inspired by Akira Toriyama's hit Manga/Anime. The TV anime people wanted to continue for just a little bit more, but I [just couldn’t do] any more than that… And so, I left the Dragon Ball anime completely up to the anime staff, story and all. Please, no hate for the anime, I just want to know if Akira Toriyama ever spoke about this in any Interview. Kōzō Morishita, the main producer, explains it: Then when word was sent to Toriyama-sensei and the Weekly Shonen Jump editorial department that we wanted to make a new series, after some initial meetings the viewpoint emerged that it would be preferable to do a completely original story, separate from the original manga. In particular, the animator Nakatsuru-kun is amazingly skilled, and mastered the peculiarities of my drawings in no time at all, to the point where there were even times when I couldn’t tell whether I had drawn a certain character design, or if he had. GT uses the anime's version of hell, Goku and Vegeta can perfectly do it the fusion dance, and Gogeta's association with positive energy. The first arc having them traveling across multiple planets in search of Dragon Balls is such a cool concept, because Dragon Ball has some great alien species, there's a lot you could do with different planets and species to make it interesting. As such, GT has to take place in … No Dragon Ball GT is non canon, it does not adapt the manga series written by Akira Toriyama, but tells an original story conceived by the Toei Animation staff using the same characters and universe from the original Dragon Ball manga, and it continues the story where Dragon Ball Z … It was always a "Grand Side Story" to Toriyama's manga's story. Many hardcore fans who disliked Dragon Ball GT will zealously claim that GT was not canon because Toriyama did not make it, but such is the farthest from the truth. I also find it interesting how people don't consider GT canon because it doesn't have a manga but Super is because its been said to be the canon despite the fact GT was (like it was theres no debating about it up until super) the continuation to Dragon Ball … It's considered to be non-canon because the original author was more or less unassociated with the project. 0 comments. Technically they are both canon. and you are confusing cannon with canon so who really doesn't understand, A discussion-dedicated Dragon Ball subreddit. "B-b-but side story quote!" This canon debate is foolish. My guess would be the Battle of Gods movie. It wasn't ever made to be canonical, at least if you define canonical as anything like "a sequel to the established continuity that should be considered part of it". There was never a moment in time that it was canon, no. It's been called things like "a side-story" and "separate from Toriyama's manga" over the years... but that really applies to just about everything that's not, well, Toriyama's original manga. Unless the material comes directly from Akira or he says otherwise then it’s not canon. Being a lazy bum by nature, I was absurdly happy when I managed to safely finish up Dragon Ball’s serialization, and finally be released from Deadline Hell. No. ... And also shows that it was imagined before it was used in canon. Toriyama's only "addressing" of GT in such a fashion was his personal intro for the Dragon Box GT DVD collection, in which he referred to it as a gaiden, or a "side story". In total 131 episodes of Dragon Ball Super were aired. The extended universe got thrown out the window when Lucas Arts and Star Wars subsequently along with it were sold to Disney. For Dragon Ball Super, the manga and anime are both considered canon by fans because of its input by Toriyama. During the History of Dragon Ball exhibit at the Tokyo Skytree + Viz North America Tour, official names were given for each of the canon story arcs in both the Dragon Ball and Dragon Ball Supermanga. Toei wouldn’t use them if they wanted GT to be a canon continuation. Kinda confusing now. GT is in essence the Tiffany Trump of the Dragon Ball family. It's therefore quite a surprise that Bandai Namco and Arc System Works are bringing a few of its most noteworthy characters into Dragon Ball FighterZ. Funny thing is they still didn’t write it as a side story. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. I miss the EU of Star Wars. Be a part of a growing community who all share a love for Dragon Ball! Golden Great Ape is canon, watch Dragon Ball Z. Cookies help us deliver our Services. For GT, all I did was just come up with the title, design the initial main cast and some of the machines, and also do a few images. He has never directly said it's non canon. He made a few of the character sketches (including giru and trunks) but that's it. By using our Services or clicking I agree, you agree to our use of cookies. There were news some years ago that everything (or almost everything?) Not canon. Dragon Ball GT is a grand side-story of the original Dragon Ball, and it’ll make me happy for us to watch and enjoy it together. July 20, 2020 While most of the Dragon Ball series is beloved, Dragon Ball GT is much-maligned and often considered non-canon, despite technically being just as legitimate as any of the arcs. Do you consider GT canon or non-canon? Certainly that way, with a “Dragon Ball different than the original manga”, Toriyama-sensei could enjoy it too, and there was also the opinion that it would be terribly disrespectful not to make it a separate work from sensei‘s original manga. Incase if you're wondering if Broly really did show up in GT, Dragon Ball Z: Broly – The Legendary Super Saiyan takes place in the GT timeline, so I count it as GT. This video is unavailable. It has it's own story that doesn't connect with things after (2 movies, and new series). I want Super and GT to be non canon, I really do. Did I draw it well? Although I'm currently watching GT for the first time and it doesn't seem so bad, in fact I'm enjoying it. The people in charge of this stuff don't line things up as "canon" or "non-canon" the way that Western fans seem determined to do. That said it never could be canon as things inside it directly contradict how Toriyama's DB world works, like the instances of Hell or the inclusion of Non-canon filler/movie characters etc. With Super taking place within the ten-year time jump after the end of Dragon Ball Z, the possibility remains that GT could still be considered canon so here's an overview of the divisive series as we figure out if the events of Super contradict GT and seal the events of the series as non-canon once and for all. The site may not work properly if you don't, If you do not update your browser, we suggest you visit, Press J to jump to the feed. We don't talk about her. My question is if the GT anime ever was considered official part of the Dragon Ball universe timeline. Dragon Ball GT is a grand side-story of the original Dragon Ball, and it’ll make me happy for us to watch and enjoy it together. Is that right? (No, Toriyama being involved in something does not automatically earn it a "CANON… Yes. I mean, that is the literal definition of the word when used in this context. I'm suprised nobody spelled it "cannon" in this thread. Certainly that way, with a “Dragon Ball different than the original manga”, Toriyama-sensei could enjoy it too, and there was also the opinion that it would be terribly disrespectful not to make it a separate work from sensei‘s original manga. Use fonts to reinforce your responses, if possible. It seems there was a major reaction from the deepest fans, some liked, some not. That's because Dragon Ball has no officially-defined canon, and the closest thing to a universal "central continuity" is the original manga and pretty much nothing more. GT gets a lot of flak for being a cash-grab or for leaving the source material behind (new, more powerful dragon-balls are introduced, for instance). Dragon Ball FighterZ - Super Baby 2 (Jan 15th) and SSJ4 Gogeta (TBD) ... because if movie Gogeta would've been announced first people would be going 'non-canon' and if SSJ4 Gogeta was first people would be whining about GT as they are now lol. Goku's dragon fist requires for Wrath of the Dragon to happen, and GT Trunks' sword is Tapion's sword. it never needed to be officially declared canon. Just not mainline canon. It, along with the rest of Dragon Ball Super is placed in the 10 year gap between the defeat of Kid Buu and the meeting of Uub. Given how other, more contemporary fan manga series like Dragon Ball New Age and Dragon Ball Multiverse continue to thrive, the dose of non-canon … Technically there was already a super Saiyan Grade 4 long ago. So bog, we have a couple canon sources, the Manga, the movie, and the anime. As the successor of Dragon Ball and Dragon Ball Z, this 64 episode series had a lot of pressure on its shoulders; it was also the only installment of Dragon Ball that didn't have the back up of the manga. It still picked up after the events at the end of the manga and continued the story as a sequel would. It was the official continuation of the DBZ anime. Watch Queue Queue. Por otro lado, pese a que Dragon Ball GT dejó de ser canon, los fans todavía recuerdan elementos del pasado anime. Canon to the original anime series’s by Toei? Cookies help us deliver our Services. discord.gg/dbz, Looks like you're using new Reddit on an old browser. And if you consider canonicity to be established by author participation, Toriyama never touched the story: For GT, all I did was just come up with the title, design the initial main cast and some of the machines, and also do a few images. ... Dragon Ball GT, Mofos!!! There was never a point that it was considered canon. But it's mostly not work of original creator like all versions before were. Please, no hate for the anime, I just want to know if Akira Toriyama ever spoke about this in any Interview. But the fact is they aren't, it didn't end at Z and nothing makes GT non canon YET. GT is as canon or as non-canon as you want it to be. Dragon Ball GT comes after Dragon Ball Z. And gt is not canon. However, it is new to canon. GT was never meant to be canon. Dragon Ball GT isn't held in the highest regard among Dragon Ball fans and was even rendered non-canon with the advent of Dragon Ball Super a few years ago. Me personally I don't consider GT 'Canon' but neither do I consider Super 'Canon'. The benefit of being a "side-story" meant they had more freedom in terms of direction while also not disrespecting the original manga as a direct sequel to his work. Dragon Ball Super was an anime series that ran from 2015 to 2018. Side story means a story on the side, not a non canon story. Word. Toei wouldn’t use them if they wanted GT to be a canon … Again, it seems that Toriyama gave Toei the rights to continue with DB story, but then at some point (AFTER ending GT many years ago) they simply declared "not canon". No. Was it to introduce a new saga in the future (like DBS)? Post New Message; You're browsing the … The new Disney movies are fucking trash. - Kōzō Morishita, "GT Back Then" Dragon Book Interview. 6 2012) it was officially stated that it was NOT canon. Has nothing to do with fanboys My question is if the GT anime ever was considered official part of the Dragon Ball universe timeline. (3.) Battle of Gods officially made things complicated. that occurred in the books were officially not canon. Apart from the interview pspiq5 linked, there are a few other clues, like the use of filler Hell and movie characters. Canon to Toriyama’s manga? I may be confusing with Star Wars extended universe from books. GT was a direct sequel to the Dragon Ball series in anime form. Dragon Ball GT is one of the worst sequels of a successful franchise, but it had some pretty interesting aspects. It was never canon since it was made by Toei and not Akira Toriyama. (This "IMDB version" stands for both Japanese and English). GT's Golden Great Ape is not a new idea (and by extension wrathful state due to it's appearance in an earlier filler episode in Z) as it appeared before. Dragon Ball Forums is a place for fans young and old from around the world to come together and discuss all things in the Dragon Ball universe. GT was never meant to be canon. And the only thing that can change that is the creator coming out and accepting it as canon. So let's just say that this 'Many Worlds' was a factor within the DB … 17 hours ago. Toriyama's never even directly said GT is non canon. discord.gg/dbz, Press J to jump to the feed. If you’re looking to stir up drama within the Dragon Ball fandom, all you have to do is bring up the canon. Surely we'll get more Super and Z characters later. More so just alternative versions to Dragon Ball and Z. I also think that the movies are part of alternative versions in my own head canon. However, I was able to rest easy handing things over to the excellent staff, who had continued on Dragon Ball for all this time. Super is the current mainline canon. It wasn’t “canon” to the original manga, but it was the official follow up to the Dragon Ball story, given the blessing by Toriyama. This artwork is clearly not part of the canon, but fans admit they are curious about Ultra Instinct and Dragon Ball GT. its so hard to understand and accept that its not canon? Outside the argument of GT being "Non Canon" The Galactic Patrol Prisoner Saga happens before the epilogue of the original Dragon Ball Manga where Goku meets Uub. Apart from the interview pspiq5 linked, there are a few other clues, like the use of filler Hell and movie characters. From an interview with Dragon Ball GT's producer Kōzō Morishita: Then when word was sent to Toriyama-sensei and the Weekly Shonen Jump editorial department that we wanted to make a new series, after some initial meetings the viewpoint emerged that it would be preferable to do a completely original story, separate from the original manga. In car lingo, GT means “Gran Turismo”: a fast, high-powered car, in other words. GT has great concepts, literally every saga has a fantastic concept. Click to expand... Click to shrink... *Mic drop* Host Samurai. That was Dragon Ball GT. Watch Queue Queue It seems that the Dragon Ball fan base are torn between the legitimacy of the GT 'Saga', Although a great debate it always seems that GT is determined to be non-Canon by the greater amount of votes. By using our Services or clicking I agree, you agree to our use of cookies. Like how Toriyama loved the Bardock Father of Goku special and made it canon when he put the Bardock rebellion scene in his manga. Even in the early stages of GT's production it was meant to be a "side-story", separate from the original manga. This was released in 2005, over half a decade before Battle of Gods came out, so his overall impression of it being a "side story" was in place well before the "rebirth" of the franchise in 2012 came about. My sincerest gratitude to all those who bought this Dragon Ball GT DVD box. Dragon Ball GT was indeed an official dragon ball series produced by Toei animation. Wasn't written by Akira so it doesn't fall into either of those canon ideologies I listed above. if you consider “canon” to be anything that had Toriyama involved with the story (like a lot of people do), then GT was never canon. Dragon Ball - General This is a split board - You can return to the Split List for other boards. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. With a total of 14 reported filler episodes, Dragon Ball Super has a … So at the very least, he made part of it canon. Was it because of the dislike of many fans? If it was indeed canon in the past, when did it stop being considered part of the story, because of contradictions or whatever? Produced by Toei Animation in 1996, the series ran for a total of 64 episodes and one movie. Sadly, it really shows. Dragon ball GT rewatch: my final thoughts on the series with a fresh perspective Discussion So some people may remember (though I doubt it) but a few months ago , I tried to start a series of posts where I would rewatch and review GT episode by episode to see if it was as bad as I (as an out spoken 'hater' of the series) had always claimed it was. It's "Non-canon". They had no concern to add things like movie villains, filler hell, etc... because it wasn't intended to be canonical. Share your ideas and opinions on shows, movies, manga, and more. The likes of Dragon Ball GT and Super Dragon Ball Heroes are their own beasts, not thought of as continuity or part of the main story mostly because they weren't penned by Akira Toriyama. The problem was the execution. The same can be said of Dragon Ball Super. For instance, one of Nakatsuru-kun’s designs was “Super Saiyan 4″, which appears in GT, and the picture above is a portrait that I drew looking off it. If it was indeed canon in the past, when did it stop being considered part of the story, because of contradictions or whatever? This series followed the continued adventure of Goku, once more a child due to a wish from the Black Star Dragon Balls, Trunks, and his Granddaughter Pan on their way across the galaxy to help turn … But in this case, I had GT mean “Grand Touring”, a great journey, since the scenario was that they’d be running around the universe. 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